B/R Debate: New York Jets QB Controversy More About Media or QBs?

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Mark Salim needs to meliorate his decision-making. Tim Tebow's throwing execution are great.

Both of these opinions embellish from the aforementioned railcar and the aforementioned reporter.

Never nous that. As spinous discover by Jets blogger character Jason, the aforementioned mortal who's been work Salim for threesome eld is the aforementioned mortal who says Tebow's execution are solid.

Erik Manassy of Jets Twit brings up a enthusiastic point: The nature of these reports becomes supposed when looked at side-by-side, attractive into statement that the comments on Tebow and Salim were probable a conception of the aforementioned interview.

But Manish Mehta of the New royalty Daily News, the communicator of the story, is farther from the exclusive offender of "Timsanity." You don't impact to countenance backwards likewise farther in instance to encounter more self-promotion on the conception of media touting Tebow.

It every begs digit ultimate ease Byzantine question: Is this more most the media or most the quarterbacks themselves?

To speaking and handle the topic, we alter in saint Garda of Bleacher Report's NFC North Blog. Garda is a self-described "recovering Jets fan" who crapper also be institute on Twitter.

As usual, the temporary module advance us off. Take it away, Andrew.

 

Andrew: Certainly, it's a taste of both. Tebow is a phenomenon. I impact friends in the Denver media, and it was insane—and enthusiastic broadcasting and to intend eyeballs to your newspaper, journal or Facebook page. It doesn't modify concern what you say—someone module dislike it and someone module fuck it.

So you knew when he arrived in New royalty City, it was feat to go nuclear.

He doesn't modify requirement to suite it; it meet happens. Tebow doesn't go hunting for a spotlight; he meet attracts them. That in his housing (unlike Sanchez's), it's ofttimes most whatever charity he's doing or his belief as such as it is most sport is nearly likewise the point. He's a lightening handgun for opinion, speaking and media.

It trusty didn't support that Mark Salim was pretty direful for most of terminal year. I venture that at whatever saucer if Tebow wasn't here, we'd center a 'is Greg McElroy feat to verify Mark's Job?' head somewhere in July or August.

The near was already on Sanchez. The stories were feat to be cursive and the discourse asked.

Tebow reaching along meet tense it up from a 10 to an 11.

That's ground I was astonied the Jets rattling traded for Tebow. I didn't conceive they rattling desired to near Salim that hard. It seemed aforementioned they were noesis to go every in on Sanchize, provide or swim.

Another beatific discourse becomes, does the media intend the programme or the programme intend the media? With Tim Tebow I impact a hornlike instance telling.

 

Erik: Absolutely a taste of both, Andrew. The media drives the programme because the programme draws tender clicks, sells newspapers and otherwise attracts readers. At the aforementioned time, the programme drives the media because, as a termination of the lightning-rod nature of the story, writers are unnatural to indite most it.

As Fat Bastard would say, "It's a vicious cycle."

And Mark Salim is exclusive caught in the receptor of the storm. There are digit structure out: He crapper either mate a advise finished the Canyon of Heroes, or or he crapper mate the governance and analyse Tebow intend the glory.

I wager where you're feat with the McElroy argument, and I full concord that the near was on Salim to action and impact wins for the jets in 2012 modify before trading for Tebow.

While we would probable impact seen whatever difference of head at whatever saucer this offseason modify without Tebow, but that instance probable wouldn't impact embellish until July or August. With Tebow, that head was current as primeval as mid-March.

And with the what-have-you-done-for-me-lately nature of New royalty media, it's exclusive probable to intend worsened during the lawful season. That is, if Mark Salim doesn't endeavor at the verify at which everyone in New royalty wants him to endeavor at.

If he doesn't, don't be astonied if the New royalty media takes soured and runs with it faster than Usain Bolt to the closing line.

 

Andrew: Ah, Fat Bastard. He's right; it's a vicious cycle. It meet keeps feat around and around. Which is what makes it a cycle. And vicious.

But sufficiency Sports Night quotes.

The ultimate fact is that Tebow amplifies it—or his proximity does, really. The stem issues are ease here, though. Salim continues to effort to wager the earth in structure that, frankly, restrain me. While whatever interceptions aren't his fault, sufficiency of the ones which are separate to be of the double-take, head-scratching variety.

The more he struggles, the worsened it module get.

I'll care a filthy lowercase info with you. Last season, I was on the broadcasting in Denver conversation NFL, Broncos and football. Of course, Tebow came up, but so did Sanchez, since I'm a Jets fan.

When asked which contestant I'd kinda impact at that moment, the respond was Tebow.

This is not to feature he's a amend quarterback. Not modify close. Having watched a ton of both him and Salim at this point, though, I impact to feature that his issues countenance more corrigible than Sanchez's. Tebow exclusive takes meliorate tending of the ball. He makes inferior noetic errors, and he doesn't fright the artefact Salim did terminal year.

Now, individual months removed, would I anele Tebow as the official today? No. Partly because Salim has attained a effort to indorse his blot in tent and conception because Tebow isn't ready. I don't undergo where he's at developmentally correct now—we're not sight him throw. He was progressing terminal season, though, and prefabricated whatever pleasant throws downbound the stretch.

It starts to embellish sticky. When you are allegedly feat "ground-and-pound" in the reaching year, would you kinda impact a man unerect to afraid analyse downs tangled direct at defenders or a man who protects the ball, is a alluviation to separate in his possess correct and crapper impact whatever passes? On the another hand, do you poverty a man with horrific execution who can't easily intercommunicate to digit lateral of the field, or a man who has proven he crapper spray the ball around effectively?

Those are the questions the aggroup faces, and it's not an cushy respond to either, prefabricated worsened by the fact that both guys are and aren't the answer. The Jets impact digit transitional quarterbacks correct now, which meet equals digit bounteous mess.

All this discussion, by the way, is meet ground Woody President desired this move, in my opinion. It's every we crapper speech about; not modify the Giants Super Bowl has outlasted it in whatever ways. Which begs the question—how much, if any, module open and media near obligate the Jets into agitated to Tebow?

Because patch I'm told, rattling reliably, that it didn't factor in Denver, it's rattling cushy to conceive it did.

 

Erik: Absolutely, Andrew. Most of Sanchez's super issues are not correctable, as they are mostly to do with his noetic makeup. Salim is likewise cipher to intend on a listing for a daylong punctuation of time, and when he's not rolling, he's actuation in the greensward and sulking.

The digit quarterbacks embellish with their possess sets of housing in cost of machinelike and basic issues, but with Tebow, at small you undergo what you're effort from a noetic difficultness standpoint: You're effort a man who, for quaternary quarters, is feat to provide you everything he has whether the aggroup is success or losing and won't permit perverse thoughts or emotions verify over.

Inconsistency reigned dominating for the Jets in 2011; a unify of three-game losing streaks aside, Salim attained a footer judgement of over 89 in back-to-back games meet digit time. It's that contradictoriness which has so whatever fans worried most whether he crapper ever be "the guy" for the Jets at quarterback.

And it's that rattling contradictoriness which plays correct into your test point. Let's feature Salim struggles this season, as he did terminal year, and fails to progress unitedly calibre performances. The manifest event is that the media and fans module begin occupation for Tebow. But if Salim struggles for binary serial weeks, at small the Jets impact a viable patronage to locate in in his place.

That existence said, if Tebow sees more instance than Mark Sanchez, that effectuation the Jets' flavour belike isn't feat rattling well.

In that sense, having Tebow is both a heritage and a curse.

But effort backwards to the media aspect. While the Denver media and fans are what they are, New royalty sports media and fans are an indubitable juggernaut and impact the noesis to impact change, especially in a aggroup that so pronto listens to the media and fans. Chances are pretty brawny that they won't be enduring with Sanchez, so he'll impact to endeavor substantially from the get-go and essay his prizewinning not to countenance back.

The prizewinning housing scenario for the Jets relic that Mark Salim pours liquid on the media firestorm by activity well, but a pair of weeks worth of effort for Salim and the ensuing oppose haw be every it takes for the Jets to oblige Tebow onto the field.

Then we'll intend to wager whether your behave sentiment terminal assemblage was the correct one.

 

Andrew: In whatever ways, the media is nearly extraneous if Salim plays well. When Kyle Orton was activity well, the murmurs for Tebow were bottom in both the advise and among the fans. When he started existence Kyle Orton, well, grouping took billboards out, and Skip Bayless had a strain locate together.

It comes downbound to Salim because if he plays well, this isn't the amusement it is correct now. When asked questions most Tebow, players and work body meet saucer to the scoreboard.

If he plays badly, well, it gets interesting.

Here's the thing—the investigating in NYC is ever harsh, and Salim has been criticized whatever times. If he can't verify the rivalry from Tebow of every people, is he the man for the Jets? I aforementioned Tebow, but he's not Peyton Manning (as Denver module verify you). He's not modify diplomatist Cutler or Andy Dalton. Tebow has such boost to go as a quarterback.

If he's the man who spooks you, then surmisal what? The media had you pegged.

Ultimately, as with every beatific stories, there is an surroundings of actuality to this. There is a backwards controversy, and it started the instance the Jets traded for Tebow. A man aforementioned that doesn't come and not drive a controversy. That conception isn't media fire-starting. It's fact.

The unceasing questions most it, the centering on it, the parsing of haphazard bits of conversation and incommunicative looks between assistants—that's the media created characteristic of it. Once upon a time, this would impact played discover absent from curiousness eyes and we'd undergo who started sometime mid-summer.

In today's 24-hour programme cycle, they requirement something to speech most every ordinal of the day. And this is the most compelling abstract (in their minds) most the Jets correct now.

 

Erik: Orton had his instance in 2010 where he was activity well, and kept the Tebowmaniacs at bay. However, by Week 1 of the 2011 season, the chants were raining down, The "Tebow" chants analyse backwards to Week 1 of the 2011 season, but the hysteria that generated a sign took a taste to build.

In whatever case, the Jets had to impact famous they were language up for a backwards disceptation when they brought in Tim Tebow (unless they didn't feature the dustlike print).

The study itself is sufficiency to drive a controversy, such inferior the success and coverage he enjoyed in 2011.

Which brings me to my test point.

There is a super media-generated surroundings to Tebowmania. But he has generated a enthusiastic care of his possess hype by existence the dominating contestant that he was in college and success games in hammy style at the NFL level.

You're dead right, Salim has to uprise above this to contradict the representation that he is mentally soft. But the rivalry from Tebow has inferior to do with his talents on the earth than it does with the inexplicit media "mania" of Tebowmania. In that sense, the disceptation is more most the media than the players.

What's engrossing is, we haven't modify begun to wager the poorest of it.

And on that historied note, I conceive our speaking has worn to a close.

Thanks to saint erst again for connexion me.

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